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HD radio 2010 = FM radio 1950, (not)

12 comments to HD radio 2010 = FM radio 1950, (not)

  • “Consumers generally unaware of HD”

    After millions og HD Radio spots, consumers should be. As Mark Ramsey pointed out, “consumers are only aware of what they care about”.

    “FM broadcasting did not have any such features in 1950″

    Well it does now with SCA/RDS services. Actually, on can buy SCA and FMeXtra radios for additional sub-channels just like HD Radio. Struble likes to tout such “new” features as HD Radio tagging, but analog FM also allows tagging (iPod Nano). There is really nothing new with HD Radio that analog FM doesn’t offer. Struble is depending on the ignorance of the General Public. It’s all about deception and an iBiquity IPO.

  • George Morrison

    My goodness, you know so little and you are so easily misled. Every one of those 10 items is either partially or totally false.

    1. Channel bandwidth was not changed arbitrarily.

    2. Most of the stations that have implemented HD are not NPR stations.

    3. On FM HD there have been very few, if any, interference complaints (within the protected contour of the FM station).

    4. The awareness of HD has increased greatly in the past year thanks to new marketing campaigns. Consumers that actually have tried HD, rather than just talking about it, are very satisfied with both the programming and the quality.

    5. Reception issues _do_ exist at the 1% level in fringe reception areas, but have been solved when stations increase their power as allowed by the FCC.

    6. All independent reviews of FM HD have concluded that the audio quality is far better than that of FM radio.

    7. While the HD sub-channels do have a bit rate that affects the audio quality, in most cases the HD sub-channel quality is still better than that of analog FM. This is temporary. Eventually analog radio will be shut down there will be more bandwidth available for digital.

    8. HD sub-channels are being used mainly for niche formats, not for rebroadcasting of AM stations. Sometimes the niche format comes from an out of area station, sometimes it’s the FM station providing the content.

    9. For mobile use, the choices for wireless content each have their advantages and disadvantages. Satellite Radio is expensive, 3G is expensive and not available everywhere and has worse reception problems than broadcast radio.

    10. The FCC has been diligent about investigating interference claims.

  • Paul Thurst

    My goodness, you sound like Bob Struble. Actually, I’ll address your points as you presented them:

    1. Channel bandwidth was not changed arbitrarily. Okay, which part of this statement is false? The channel bandwidth was indeed changed from 200 KHz to 396 KHz wide for FM and 20 KHz to 40 KHz for AM.

    For the word “arbitrarily,” lets go to the dictionary, which states:
    ar·bi·trar·y
    adjective
    1. subject to individual will or judgment without restriction; contingent solely upon one’s discretion: an arbitrary decision.
    2. decided by a judge or arbiter rather than by a law or statute.
    3. having unlimited power; uncontrolled or unrestricted by law; despotic; tyrannical: an arbitrary government.
    4. capricious; unreasonable; unsupported: an arbitrary demand for payment.
    5. Mathematics . undetermined; not assigned a specific value: an arbitrary constant.

    Because HD Radio is implemented by the FCC, without direction from Congress, (e.g. public representation), the service was arbitrarily created. This is how the FCC normally does business, but it is still arbitrary, see #2 above.

    2. Most stations that have implemented HD are not NPR stations. I will put together a list of HD radio stations, I’d bet that greater than 50% are public radio stations.

    3. On FM HD there have been very few, if any, interference complaints (within the protected contour of the FM station) You make qualifying statement “Within protected contour” My statement stands as is without qualifier. The argument that things only matter within the protected contour is bunk. What happens when you are driving and you go beyond the protected contour? Does your radio magically switch off? No, it still works until the noise floor is reached, at which time the station is changed. The public has no idea what or where a protected contour is, all they know is the station that they used to be able to listen to, no longer comes in. Time to turn on the Ipod.

    4. The awareness of HD has increased greatly in the past year…” If this is the case, I will cook and eat my shoe for dinner. Randomly ask 10, no 20, no 50 people in a Best Buy what HD radio is, I’ll bet 90% will have no idea.

    5. Reception issues _do_ exist at the 1% level in fringe reception areas, but have been solved when stations increase their power Jury is still out on this one most stations have not implemented the power increase you cite. As of the last data available, 86 out of 1586 stations have upgraded in some way shape or form (Source: FCC data base) See also: NPR labs and Greater Media study about poor mobile reception and building penetration. These studies were done within 10 miles of a Class B FM station’s transmitter. Hardly the 1% fringe reception area.

    6. FM HD have concluded that the audio quality is far better than that of (analog) FM radio I will grant you “better” than analog FM, this is what is stated in the post. Far better is another matter, most people cannot tell the difference between HD radio signal and analog FM.

    7. In most cases HD sub channel quality is still better than analog FM. This is a patently false statement. There is no way that the low bit rate channels can reproduce audio that is even close to analog FM. It defies the laws of physics. Period.

    8. HD sub-channels are being used mainly for niche formats… Going by my listening experience, which is that HD-2 and HD-3 channels are grave yards for AM simulcasts, NPR programs, BBC news and the occasional creative thing done by a program director that has a lot of spare time

    9. What is your point? My point was that there are lots of competing mediums, maybe the public doesn’t care about HD radio because they get all there nationally syndicated programming on the computer or iPhone.

    10. The FCC has been diligent about investigating interference claims. The way the modified rules are written, it would be almost impossible for the FCC to find fault with an HD Radio station causing interference. See also: KATY vs. KRTH-FM or WYSL vs. WBZ.

  • Gary

    “My goodness, you know so little and you are so easily misled. Every one of those 10 items is either partially or totally false.”

    My goodness, you really know how to piss off people in the first sentence, don’t you? Here’s a suggestion: Why don’t you just provide your evidence for what you believe to be the correct information, and let us decide. Starting off with that first sentence as you did shows nothing more than you are a boor.

  • George Morrison is probably the same HD Radio troll (SMS) that posts like crazy in ba.broadcast, alt.radio.digital, and rec.radio.shoirtwave – just ignore him, as he has the same “signature” on other posts. John Higdon has called his bluff many times, but SMS refuses to post his “credentials”. I’ve tracked him down to Baltimore, MD, whuch is close to Columbia, MD, iBiquity Headquarters. He may be a laid-off iBiquity employee. Just like Bob Stuble, repeating the same lies over-an-over, eventually people start believing the lies.

  • J. Aegerter

    It became apparent to me since about 1980 that the FCC was really not interested in radio anymore. It seemed to begin to focus on money and the economy, rather than the public interest, convenience, and necessity. The 7,7,7 rule was quashed, and AM stereo made its debut without much fanfare. Nobody cared, only the people promoting it. And today, 30 years later, where is it? And FM/PM in 1950? Look how long it took! A former employer of mine bought 102.1 locally in 1966 for $75,000, and the seller could not wait to get his hands on the money as he was drowning in a sea of debt. So there was 16 years of FM/PM broadcasting and it still was a loser for most broadcasters. Improvements in technology made FM exciters true “FM” with excellent stability, but I doubt the general public noticed or cared. And the FCC really didn’t take any lead in promoting this technology, and it was better this way. Jamming things down people’s throats never seems to work, except in the record business. And when the FCC brought in an Economist as a Commissioner, along with the phaseout of engineering assistants to the Commissioners, radio engineering at the agency took another nosedive. From that point on, the FCC was all about money and the economy. Any new “widget” to make people spend money and keep the economy humming was the brainchild. And what happened to the FCC as “Spectrum Guardians”? Money and the economy was now paramount! Electromagnetic interference? What is that?

  • Paul Thurst

    @David Eduardo – interesting response. There is one thing that you pointed out which is correct: Most of the HD radio stations are not NPR stations. This was from a poorly sourced article and I should have known better. I went through the FCC database this afternoon, and indeed, most of the HD radio stations are commercial.

    As for the rest of it, I am not sure you comprehended most of what was written, a lot of your points agree with my points, which you then point out as being “A crock”

    Makes me ask, who the f–k is David Eduardo and why should I care?

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  • @Paul: David Eduardo works for Univision, who is an investor in iBiquity.

    The advent of analog FM never displaced existing services as does IBOC. There was not one company, as there is now with iBiquity, that had a monopoly on terrestrial radio. iBiquity still depends on venture capital, unless they can start bringing in significant amounts, and have over the course of a decade, blown through close to $200 million. Who’s going to continue to float iBiquity for the number of decades, waiting for IBOC to catch on?

  • Paul Thurst

    Thanks Greg, I that answers both questions.

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