{"id":4582,"date":"2012-02-27T17:13:03","date_gmt":"2012-02-27T21:13:03","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/?p=4582"},"modified":"2023-04-29T11:13:25","modified_gmt":"2023-04-29T15:13:25","slug":"the-open-delta-three-phase-service","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/2012\/02\/the-open-delta-three-phase-service\/","title":{"rendered":"The open delta three phase service"},"content":{"rendered":"\n<p>Several months ago, I drove up to an FM transmitter site, looked up at the utility pole, and saw this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-transformer-bank.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"650\" height=\"433\" src=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-transformer-bank.jpg\" alt=\"Three Phase open delta transformer bank\" class=\"wp-image-4638\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-transformer-bank.jpg 650w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-transformer-bank-150x99.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-transformer-bank-300x199.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-transformer-bank-400x266.jpg 400w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 650px) 100vw, 650px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Three Phase open delta transformer bank<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Three-phase open delta is a bad hombre. \u00a0Most, if not all, transmitter manufacturers will void the warranty of any transmitter connected to a service like this. \u00a0What is perplexing is it appears that all three phases are available on the primary side, why would this be necessary? Perhaps it was not always so at this location. \u00a0Regardless, this was the source of power for 20 KW FM transmitters since 1958 until we moved it to a new building last month.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>According to a GE publication on transformers, open delta 3 phase power is undesirable because:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<blockquote class=\"wp-block-quote is-layout-flow wp-block-quote-is-layout-flow\">\n<p>Although this connection delivers three-phase currents which are approximately symmetrical to a three-phase symetrical load, the currents flowing in the high voltage circuit are not equal nor are they 120 degrees apart. &nbsp;The maximum safe output of the bank operating in this manner is 58% of a 3 pot Wye\/Delta bank. The system is grossly unbalanced, both electrostatically and electromagnetically.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n\n<p>Schematically, it looks like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"323\" height=\"236\" src=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta.jpg\" alt=\"3 Phase open delta power\" class=\"wp-image-4591\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta.jpg 323w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-150x109.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-open-delta-300x219.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 323px) 100vw, 323px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">3 Phase open delta power<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Regular 3 phase delta looks like this:<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-delta.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"400\" height=\"255\" src=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-delta.png\" alt=\"3 phase delta power\" class=\"wp-image-4592\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-delta.png 400w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-delta-150x95.png 150w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/3-phase-delta-300x191.png 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 400px) 100vw, 400px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">3 phase delta power<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>Most utility companies will not hook up 3 phase delta on the customer side anymore because the &#8220;high&#8221; or &#8220;wild&#8221; leg, which as shown in the diagram runs a good deal higher than 120 volts to neutral. \u00a0Hook up a high leg to a single phase 120 volt piece of equipment and wait for the power supply to blow up. \u00a0Also true with 277-volt lighting circuits, as my assistant once found out with the Coke Machine in the break room. \u00a0The new 3 phase service will almost invariably be 208 wye unless there is some very compelling reason, which is fine.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>There are many ways to get around three phase open delta, perhaps the best is a rotary phase converter. \u00a0This piece of equipment will take a 240-volt split phase and add a third leg. \u00a0These legs will not be 120 degrees apart, as they would be in a true three-phase, however, they will be close enough that 3 phase motors and transformers will be happy.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<figure class=\"wp-block-image alignnone\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/Rotary_Phase_Converter_Connection_Diagram.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" width=\"390\" height=\"254\" src=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/Rotary_Phase_Converter_Connection_Diagram.jpg\" alt=\"Rotary Phase converter\" class=\"wp-image-4619\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/Rotary_Phase_Converter_Connection_Diagram.jpg 390w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/Rotary_Phase_Converter_Connection_Diagram-150x97.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2012\/02\/Rotary_Phase_Converter_Connection_Diagram-300x195.jpg 300w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 390px) 100vw, 390px\" \/><\/a><figcaption class=\"wp-element-caption\">Rotary Phase converter<\/figcaption><\/figure>\n\n\n\n<p>This leads to an unbalanced voltage\/current condition which needs to be accounted for in the design of the unit. \u00a0The second way to do this is to power a three-phase generator with a split-phase motor. \u00a0This will completely isolate the 3 phase equipment from the utility service and provide for true three phase power.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>The downside to any motor\/generator or rotary converter is moving parts and conversion inefficiencies. \u00a0At any transmitter site that uses this type of equipment, either a backup power converter or a lower power split phase backup transmitter should be installed. \u00a0With all mechanical things, eventually, this will need to be repaired and it would suck to be off the air while that is happening.<\/p>\n\n\n\n<p>Regardless of any of that, this particular service is about to be disconnected permanently.&nbsp; Good riddance.<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Several months ago, I drove up to an FM transmitter site, looked up at the utility pole, and saw this: Three-phase open delta is a bad hombre. \u00a0Most, if not all, transmitter manufacturers will void the warranty of any transmitter connected to a service like this. \u00a0What is perplexing is it appears that all three &hellip; <a href=\"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/2012\/02\/the-open-delta-three-phase-service\/\" class=\"more-link\">Continue reading <span class=\"screen-reader-text\">The open delta three phase service<\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":4,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"open","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[4],"tags":[230,44],"class_list":["post-4582","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-tech-stuff","tag-electrical","tag-utility-company"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4582","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/4"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=4582"}],"version-history":[{"count":8,"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4582\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":11640,"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/4582\/revisions\/11640"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=4582"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=4582"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.engineeringradio.us\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=4582"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}