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Cost of Starting a LPFM vs cost of Internet Streaming

9 comments to Cost of Starting a LPFM vs Cost of Internet Streaming

  • You wrote this

    The long and short of it is, to put a technically viable LPFM on the air is not an inexpensive proposition. It is worth the effort, however, because the advantages of an LPFM over an internet only station are great.

    You told us the start-up costs but what about the ongoing operating costs – those costs will come every month and anyone putting up a station would have to plan for them.

    For example, on the LPFM side, what about infrastructure maintenance, energy costs, engineering personnel, and anything else. On the internet station, what would be the bandwidth costs of streaming and how to these costs escalate with the number of simultaneous listeners?

    The great advantage of having a streaming capability is the ability to replay programming on demand. With a radio-only station once the programing is transmitted – it’s gone. If someone invests heavily in programming then it would be of great value to retain this investment in talent and time through archives and on-demand availability of programming to the listener base.

    If you are recommending streaming for LPFM’s… “Also, LPFM’s should also be streaming, which would incur the same costs above” then you would incur the operating costs of both the RF-based distribution and the internet distribution.

    So, bottom line. After I have this station up and running (start-up costs which you provided) what would be the estimated costs in operating this station that I would put in my plan?

  • Paul Thurst

    Operating costs are much more difficult to pin down. Other than potential empolyees, the single greatest operating cost for an LPFM would likely be the lease of studio and or transmitter space. Each situation is different, however. Some LPFM’s can be located in their sponsor’s building, e.g. a school or church, which would cost nothing. Others may need to rent tower space, which is very expensive.

    Other operating costs are utilities (Electric, heating, telephone service, high speed internet service), programming material and sources (most public radio content providers will supply LPFM’s, but there is a cost associated with it), office expenses, fund raising, marketing, streaming services, ASCAP/BMI (if music is broadcast), equipment repair and maintenance, ect.

    The short answer is, all of these thing vary with the size of the operation and location.

  • RFB

    Not as drastic of expense? Are you paying attention to those numbers in your chart?

    Those figures are not exactly average budget numbers. Yes yes they are still lower than trying to fund a larger commercial station, but still you sound off like its pocket change during this economic depression we are all going through.

    Don’t dress the facts of reality up with ohh ahh ok. Even for a group of people forming a non profit organization will find out real quick how low cost turns into considerable expense..especially for this case in LPFM when there are 3000 plus applicants who have been waiting and waiting for years to get into the door. Ya let’s not forget about the first come firs served basis format the FCC adopted years ago. And it is still the same as for commercial applications…got the bucks…pick a bid number and have a seat..the auction will begin shortly.

    RFB

  • Paul Thurst

    @RFB, you seem upset. What I actually said was “it is not an inexpensive proposition,” which means it is expensive. There are many, many groups waiting to apply for licenses who may not have the wherewithal to actually put a station on the air. Better for them to know ahead of time that it is expensive and time consuming.

    LPFM is not, nor should it be, somebody’s hobby station or ego gratification system.

    Can it be done for cheaper? You bet, with consumer grade audio equipment, cheap computers, cheap sound cards and free software downloaded from the internet. There is also the possibility that some equipment may be donated to an LPFM, but those opportunities are few and far between and cannot be used for planning purposes.

    That being said, my premise for this post was that some sort of reliable, functioning studio would be built where the public can come in and a radio show without too much difficulty. That requires durable, reliable equipment. What I outline above should be considered as a minimum starting point, especially where the studio is concerned.

    I am not sure what to make of your comments about the FCC, they have said that LPFM applications would be free.

  • Rob

    Consumer grade was common when I had some involvement with community radio.

    I remember pre recorded shows going to air from hifi vhs video tapes wile on air presenters put their muscle behind a studio relocation doing building, installing studio furniture and equipment, wiring and so forth. The tape was long enough to do the job after which it was down tools announce the next track then go on with building.
    As computers and audio were still coming of age cassettes and LPs and CDs were all played on air. The logger was a vhs videos in long play mode.

    At the TX site there was a professionally built low power exciter driving a home brew power amp into 4 bay ½ wave array fed via some ex commercial castoff 2 inch heliax. The tx building was a tin shed that was not even bird proof. When the STL rx died someone hacked an icom scanner for super wideband mpx output. It wasn’t pretty but it worked.

    These are the things that happen when its run by volunteers and funded by sponsors and donations.

  • Paul Thurst

    @Rob, that sounds pretty typical for a volunteer station. If there is somebody who can play the part of MacGyver, that’s great. I find the choice of a 4 bay 1/2 wave spaced antenna interesting.

  • Rob

    I believe the theory was that power saving were had with more gain up top. They had no mains at the TX site and I believe thats still the case to this day. In case I have the terminology wrong what I mean is something visually like this:
    http://www.hi-tec-aerials.co.nz/Images/FMD6-SA.jpg

  • Paul Thurst

    Rob, that is also interesting. How did they generate the power for their transmitters, wind or solar? I am working on a mountain top transmitter site where we may use a 48 volt battery bank to run the transmitters in place of the switch power supplies and recharge the bank with solar panels.

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